Major SpyShelter announcement: Keyboard encryption is dead, long live keyboard encryption

True, Windows Defender + DefenderUI / DefenderUI Pro and of course Spyshelter 15 (Paranoid mode) is a great combo :slight_smile:

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Hello

In my opinion, the biggest problem with the Clipboard concept in Windows is the Clipboard content is totally opened to any application.
I would like the operating system to detect a user Paste action (Control+V shortcut in my region) and send a window event to the application (then the application can call a function to get data).
That way, there would be no way for other applications to catch clipboard content. They would not even know something appeared in the clipboard. And if they call a function, they obtain nothing.

I suggest you investigate this kind of method.
Of course, application menus remain a problem with this method. But personally, I’d rather use key shortcuts than menus if I gain security.

Cool idea! Unfortunately due to malware, Microsoft has really locked down what can be done with the clipboard lately. But we will continue to investigate as always.

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After carefully researching antikeylogger options with the latest Windows 11 versions, we don’t feel confident we can make a high quality antikeylogger software. Microsoft has added many changes/limitations that make making a reliable antikeylogger impossible.

I’m sorry for the bad news.

If you use very old Windows versions, you can still use our original Antikeylogger software.

Please note that our modern SpyShelter version should also protect against keyloggers as it should detect them, and it can also keep them from launching at all if you use the higher security modes.

I do wonder if you then perhaps know if KeyScrambler and HitmanPro.Alert still work correctly when it comes to providing keystroke encryption on Windows 11?

And what do you think of Ghostpress? It seems to have found a way to offer protection against keyloggers on Win 11, and I believe it’s not kernel based, you might want to check it out.

@RasheedHolland Thanks for bringing these up!

It so happens we have continued to research this issue and we actually came up with a unique idea on how to implement keyboard protection. It’s completely different how these other companies do it, and probably more reliable.

I will post here if we decide to move forward with it, but we’re considering doing so.

Can you give some more information?

To clarify, both KeyScrambler and HitmanPro.Alert use kernel mode drivers, and they both should work on Windows 11, I don’t know if you can test this stuff.

Because if they do, then SS 15 should be able to offer the same. And Ghostpress is less advanced from what I understood, I believe it uses global hooking (user mode) to block keyloggers, but I don’t know if this is good enough. :slight_smile:

We want to be secretive because it’s kind of a unique concept. :wink: I can confirm 100% I’m not leading you on though. It’s something real we are considering.

OK cool, but you didn’t answer my question about KeyScrambler and HMPA. If they can still successfully offer keystroke encryption, then why can’t SS, know what I mean?

Or do you believe that KS and HMPA don’t actually protect systems correctly on Win 11 systems? I can not test it myself, because I’m not using Win 11 yet.

I can’t answer because I am not familiar with how they work. I don’t want to say something negative about something I don’t understand.

I understand this, but what I meant is that you guys might want to investigate this, because if these tools still work correctly on Win 11, then it should be possible to offer keystroke encryption (via kernel driver), just like SS Classic did.

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I would like Rasheed’s comment 100 times if I could.

Carl I would love if your programmers could look into this more and I already mentioned the Hitman Pro Alert previously over in my other thread related to this. You have a great product and great support… it would be a pity for you to lose customers when your competitors are able to still provide a working solution for the anti-keylogger even with latest Windows 11. Hopefully you might be able to do the same as them in the meantime while you test out whatever idea(s) you had that you can’t share with us all yet. Just a suggestion anyways yet I certainly +100 what Rasheed is saying regarding at least investigating these options to see if you can do the same.

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We are taking both your comments seriously and we’re investigating for sure. This new idea we came up with to bring back anti-keylogging technology happened very recently, so please be patient while we continue to investigate.

Meanwhile, we are planning on adding some major new unique features to SpyShelter soon also.

I hope you guys will add a network monitor! :grinning:

And about the new anti-keylogging method, is it kernel or usermode based?

Network monitors use a lot of resources and may slow down your network connection, so we don’t offer them at this time. Thanks for your feedback though and we’ll continue thinking about it in the future if we can find a way to offer one without using major resources, or slowing connections.

The new anti-keylogger we are investigating is still unclear on my end… I only know minimally what the team has discussed privately. I am not sure if it would be kernel or usermode based or something else completely.

I guess it depends on how you implement this, just look at SpyShelter Firewall 12, which has a basic network monitor, perhaps you can install this on an old machine. It has a simple network monitor which doesn’t use any extra resources and also doesn’t slowdown the network. I haven’t got a clue if GlassWire does slowdown stuff, but I’m not really into this tool anyway.

Unfortunately when SpyShelter got a new team that Firewall was not allowed to be part of the change over, but I get what you’re saying. Network monitoring can be fun and useful for sure, but we are unable to offer any of that functionality at that time for reasons outside our control.

I’m sorry, I don’t quite understand. So are you guys not allowed to develop a network monitor/firewall, I have never heard of such a strange thing before? :astonished:

What I totally forgot to mention is that even without keyboard encryption, SS Classic was still able to protect against certain types of keyloggers. Just look at the links and screenshot.

It was able to block these keylogging methods and alerted about it. Perhaps you can ask the developer if this is still possible in Windows 11. About Ghostpress, I might be wrong but I believe it makes use of ‘‘global hooking’’ in order to hide keystrokes from keyloggers. :slight_smile:

I just wonder if anyone who is using SS 15 on Win 11 is able to run these keylogger simulators? I wonder how SS 15 will react to them. :slight_smile: